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[wstevens]

Received payment from both named teams from Norman Cross Crusaders. Your Paypal receipts should suffice as "tickets" - as this is our first we won't have actual tickets as such as they can be easily copied. Don't worry - we will mark you off on the Data Spreadsheet as paid - so just bring yourselves 'n cases - I have the player names so there shouldn't be a problem at all. However Team names really help out here don't give them out on the forums- pm or email them to me for extra confidentiality.

[shamutanti]

Just a query - we gonna have any Skaven players in this tournament? Cause it might be wise to clear up a few of the... misprints... within the book now, rather than have to worry about it over the day (unless an FAQ comes out before hand).

[bigshowfan]

Just to flag it up, looks like Carl and myself will be entering a combined dark elf / vampire army. Will pay next Tuesday.

Thanks

[stunties]

Jan 27, 2010 1:54:30 GMT shamutanti said:

Just a query - we gonna have any Skaven players in this tournament? Cause it might be wise to clear up a few of the... misprints... within the book now, rather than have to worry about it over the day (unless an FAQ comes out before hand).

the recent gathering of might tournament is run by the north west warriors one of which "grotsnot/owen" is involved with FAQ development and put one together for the aforementioned tourney. It reads well and leaves few stones unturned i can email a copy over for your perusal?
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The only one it missed was the storm banner, which is to be erata'd "one use only"

[shamutanti]

Yeah sure, fling it over to [e-mail] if ya don't mind.

Although it might be best to simply put it up on the forums anyway?

So everyone knows where we stand with rules such as 'what happens when a plague furnace doesn't have a rider? Can the Furnace move around a unit? Can a Doomwheel charge? Stormbanner is one use only or not?' etc. etc.

:>

I swear there's like 400 questions for the Skaven book! xD

[wstevens]

If you could email me that as well please Justin I would be very grateful!
Is there any errata for the Beasts as yet? Doubt if anyone will show up with these as yet but you never know.
cheers

[stunties]

Jan 27, 2010 20:05:50 GMT wstevens said:

If you could email me that as well please Justin I would be very grateful!
Is there any errata for the Beasts as yet? Doubt if anyone will show up with these as yet but you never know.
cheers

not sure on the beasts front we were considering bringing a beast/chaos combo but it was just a thought... as mentioned earlier if common sense doesnt prevail i am a big fan of 4+ in game to keep things moving and not detract from the fun.

[shamutanti]

There's no Errata yet. The book ain't out yet afterall

There's a few things that need clearing up but it's mainly down to Common sense (e.g. how big is a 'Herdstone'?)

[wstevens]

Yep your right 6th feb for the Beasts book which makes this book legal for our tournament by just that month. However, it will be one that I would have to look through very carefully and as Justin says prevail with the D6 roll off if issues cannot be resolved adequately.

STOP PRESS - the release for BoC is although a month before the tournie, we have decided unanimously that we do not have sufficient time to gauge all of the intricacies of the book in time. If you wish to play BoC then 6th edition will only be excepted at this time. I hope you can all understand.
Read through briefly on some of the Skaven errata and was a little perplexed by the word "rank" used for Cornered Slaves. I thought rank was at least five across and a conga line would make this a tad non-rank under GW rules. Unless I missed something D3 x19 attacks seems OTT.

[Stephen Mawson]

According to the rules the term "Rank" simply refers to the horizontal rows of models. So a 20 man unit 5 wide would be 4 ranks deep, if it is 4 wide it's 5 ranks deep and so on.

The combat bonus is separate from the ranks a unit has, as you only get the bonus for Ranks which are of 5 or more models.

Given the wording of the Slaves "Cornered Rats" rule, which states Ranks, not "Rank Bonus" a unit of slaves 1 model wide and 20 ranks deep would indeed inflict 1d3 + 19 Strength 3 hits on all units within D6". I'm sure the probable intention of that rule was to use "Rank Bonus", but that's not how they're written it.

Getting a unit into a formation like that is one thing. It has many downsides however, not least is the one that the unit is suddenly about 15" long, so keeping it away from your own units might be hard. Frankly 1d3 +19 strength 3 hits is likely to be more dangerous to other Skaven units than the enemy.

Warren I'd appreciate having a look at that file myself if you don't mind forwarding it on to me.

I'm hoping for an official GW Errata soon, the Army book has been out long enough now for them to have worked out there's some issues with their wording in a number of places.

The biggest problem is not so much the Slaves, or the Storm Banner, whose rules are at least clear, if not very balanced, it's some other things where it's difficult to know exactly what interpretation to place on the rules.

The Doomwheel being the prime example. Mainly on unit strength (what is it 5, or is it 4, a reasonable case can be made for either), and on movement and charging.

The rules as written appear to imply, without explicitly stating things one way or the other, that it doesn't charge, merely moving in the compulsory portion of the movement phase and causing impact hits if it comes into contact with enemy (or friendly units).

This raises a lot of difficult questions about whether people get charge responses, who strikes first in combat, what happens if it contacts a unit that is already fleeing. Not to mention the hideous I start in front of you, but get enough movement to drive right around you and attack you in the rear tactic.

So I'd be interested in someone else's interpretation of how the thing works rules wise.

[wstevens]

I sent it earlier to your ntl email address, did you not receive it?

[shamutanti]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who flagged up on the rank thing for Slaves.

In my view they FAQ'd it wrong, because 1 model isn't a rank. A 'rank' like defined, is 5 wide.

But we will have ta see what happens like.

Eitherway this tournament will do me some good, am painting up an army just for it!

[Stephen Mawson]

The FAQ is correct. As I said a Rank is simply the term for the row of models (regardless of the number in it). This is defined right at the beginning of the rule book.

In terms of being balanced the Cornered Rats rule should have referred to "Rank Bonus" as the Strength in Numbers rule does, which allows you to add your Rank Bonus to your leadership.

[stunties]

for what its worth heres my two-penneth,

I have it on authority that the storm banner will almost certainly be errat'd "one use only"
The skaven slave rank one was intended to be complete ranks of 5 or more models but reads any ranks even incomplete ones of say 1 model. Having said that i am a big fan of common sense and i would wholeheartedly discourage any use of such tactics in any format whether tourney or friendly club game.
Just for the record we(norman cross crusaders) have banned all such dirty tricks i.e. conga line slingshot fanatics to mention a few.
hope this helps sorry for poking my nose in but our forum is devoid of all heathy discussion at present.

[wstevens]

So should the FAQ point towards the mistake (if indeed it was) in the Skaven book or in the rules book? At such a low cost for slaves I think this rule alone has made this unit rather tasty, and they can fight in two ranks. Compare that to a bog standard Empire spearman and we can see that there is a difference for what you get for points. You may say that Leadership is higher for the Empirespearman but with the Skaven general around and the way they work break tests with ranks it pails. A little bit more armour (if you pay for it) perhaps for the spearman - (expressionless whoopee).