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Post by wstevens on Sept 12, 2009 13:21:58 GMT
I thought I would start a new thread here rather than carry on over at the "other events" forum. There seemed to be an awful lot of people that were interested in this. I just want to keep it alive so its not lost in the aftermath of distant memories.
Basically what I am asking for here is a difinitive date or dates. We have established that the fantasy one would be more suited to February / March 2010 and the 40K one would be more suited to December time. Is there any chance we could put in a pre-request for next year at the scout hut?
To be honest I just need a date and a logistical go ahead so we can start the ball rolling with adverts by word of mouth / forums etc. There are a number of clubs that seemed interested.
What say you people? Rushden Rumble?
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Post by carl on Sept 12, 2009 15:36:43 GMT
yes! i'd be up for this.
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Sept 13, 2009 19:13:30 GMT
sounds good
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Post by james on Sept 13, 2009 19:35:47 GMT
Yes I am up for this and so would Chris from Durham with enough notice.
James
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Post by wstevens on Sept 14, 2009 0:27:36 GMT
We just need the notice - so whenever we can get a date - (Stephen? Darrell? Carl?) I'll set the ball rolling for invites to various clubs. If there are 20 tables that should be four on a table (I realise a few need to be had), two pairs. So in the hall that would be 2 pairs per table a total of 40 pairs. I feel if we can get 10 clubs interested that would be 4 pairs/teams per club .
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Post by paulr on Sept 14, 2009 11:14:32 GMT
A doubles tournament is a great idea, the rulespack will need to be tight to avoid people bending the rules.
Also I would like to see how many club memebers want to field teams first and then open up the remaining table spaces to others, so that Pheonix has as many members as want to play, after all, harsh if you can't make your own tournament.
Would this be a one or two day event?
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Post by David B on Sept 14, 2009 12:06:25 GMT
The problem with taking part in your own tournament is that you could get accused of cheating.
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Post by paulr on Sept 14, 2009 14:03:25 GMT
Many clubs that run tournaments allow thier own members to join in.
A decision for the Pheonix club.
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Post by carl on Sept 14, 2009 16:12:07 GMT
of course we should play in our own tournie. plus to avoid any issues perhaps we could allow any armies to pair up, rather than have any restrictions. also, perhaps to make it fair we could have a draw for pairings at our place, rather than everyone fighting over who they pair up with.
for the games, my advice is keep it simple! pitch battle rules apply and victory conditions as per rulebook, no markers or silly objectives, just a straight fight, that way there's less chance of people being unsure of what the 'extra' rules mean.
suggest a tenner per team with perhaps a tropy / medals for first and second and maybe some vouchers for the winners, as if we get 40 teams thats £400 for the club to 'play' with for prizes etc.
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Sept 14, 2009 17:41:48 GMT
ambitious but sounds good leave it with you warren. just one thing when are you going to shedule the SFS tournament to begin as it should be realatily soon
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Post by wstevens on Sept 14, 2009 18:51:34 GMT
I'm quite cheesed off as I spent the best part of 45 minutes writing out what we could do etc for this and whammo it all got erased - I don't know why or how this happened but I'm fairly miffed and tiffined off - So to recommence... I agree with Carl on all points except one - this is the allowing any faction to ally with any other. I much prefer the GW fluff to this - as I can''t see DE pairing up with HE, or Dwarfs with O&G or WE with Beastmen etc... Here everybody has a point of reference, although you may rightly say that if there were no ally restrictions then there would not be a point of reference to worry about. However, it must be said that other legitimate GW pairings such as VC with Empire / Bretts has raised a few eyebrows. I agree with the simple pitched battles, no stupid markers or weird underhand rules which send every gamer searching for the number 42 . First dibs for places will go to Phoenix club members and via invite, forums or enquiries the rest will (hopefully go). However we need to be sure about the date and how long we can use the Scout hall. Ideally one day is sufficient as two days often has one day for another commitment (family or otherwise) which negates the other day. I propose this if we can get it: 9.00 am register 9.30 am 1st game 11.00am break 11.30 am 2nd game 1.00pm Lunch 1.30pm 3rd game 3.00pm break 3.30pm 4th game 5.00pm finish last game 5.30pm prizes 6.00pm - 6.30pm packup This does depend on what we can get for time. At £1.25 per game this is cheaper than what we pay at the club for a game so its good value. Forty teams is £400 however we could look at some sponsorship (Carl's favourite area and expertise here) and even have one or two areas for a few sale points. Again this would have to be negotiated for space. I will have a look at the potential table layouts. The canteen area can be used for the sale of sandwiches (Kieron and Julie?) or we could up the entrance fee with a packed lunch thrown in. Although this can be a bit bothersome. To receive monies from this we would need a Paypal account for the club which is linked the club's bank account. Monies from this should go to prizes and new terrain for the club - I know that we could possibly fill out twenty tables but we do have a bit of tat terrain pieces that need either smartening up or replaced. So far Carl, myself, James, darrell have expressed their interest - no doubt Julie would want in as well. I'm unsure about people's feelings towards painted models - do we let blacked out models at minimum or should we go for three colours and based as GW. It would raise the profile of the club if we were to request this. It also gives us all that incentive to get our armies painted. I have had a mixture of laziness and more pressing things on my mind around this time of year. We will need someone proficient with Excel that can just enter scores. If we know the people that will be coming then we can just enter them on the excel sheet and tick them off when they come in. Scores will be as GW (same as the Historical campaign skirmish games recently) 20 for a win 0 for a massacre etc... About accusations of cheating it should not come to this - we are a club proud of what we do and cheating will not be tolerated in the first instance nor will unjust accusations. All games will be played fairly. If there is anybody that would like to volunteer to be a floating referee (but not ethereal), then please come forward. I would like to play but if need be I can be arbitrator or an impatial referee - when playing. This will be a fun event and I hope everybody will volunteer their time here as helpers in what ever capacity you can be. So - what about a date then?
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Post by wstevens on Sept 14, 2009 19:03:58 GMT
Just to add - if people are interested in the SFS Memorial trophy then fair dos - however I would like to play in it this time but it seems that as we played fantasy last year - somebody mentioned playing 40k this year. This would rule me out again. I think that (be it on a selfish note) that I would prefer fantasy again.
We must not forget that Carl has his Civil war campaign, there is the Historical campaign, and of course many FoW games to play. There are also a number of doubles practise games no doubt for the above event and GW's own one. as well as the Roleplaying chaps every other week. So fitting the SFS games in can be troublesome with a lot going on. If people are interested then please let me know but this time I will limit it to two leagues of five. That's four games each to start and then a semi final and the final. However, please ensure that you play all of your games otherwise you will stop others from proceeding. Those that played before know all the rules for this (no markers this time around just straight forward pitched battles). I will put up this post over as a new post 'n'thread at the fantasy forum so please go over there to sign up rather than clogging this thread which should be for the sole purpose of orgainising the doubles tournament - Rushden Rumble (I like that one - any other titles would receive a generous hearing).
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Post by carl on Sept 14, 2009 20:20:47 GMT
the ECW campaign is so far only me and Kieron with armies as a def so can be fitted in and around things, and we can play games in between any campaign starting.
also perhaps it may be best to finish the ancients campaign before doing the SFS trophy again. so early next year as a start latest perhaps. also, i think this trophy should ALWAYS be fantasy as Simon was primarily a fantasy player, although he did do 40k, i would say 90% of the games he played were fantasy. this is only my opinion however.
the flames campaign is almost done, i am playing one of my last two games this week.
the only thing i would say is that no-one should play a game in the next round until all the previous rounds games have been completed, as if someone wins all their games then this defletes other players and they do not always feel like playing on if they cant finish in position to qualify etc. also perhaps we could do 1000pts per side rather than 750pts as it gives people more options etc, no lord choices though as per standard rules.
i will be glad to help you organise the doubles thing mate, just let me know.
i would like it if models were to be fully painted etc as this just looks better.
also if you want a break from organising it this year mate i could sort it, just give us the nod etc
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Post by wstevens on Sept 14, 2009 20:38:16 GMT
1000pts instead of 750pts? Last time I did this it was 2000pts each side for the SFS - I think you mean for the doubles here. If so the problem with 1000pts each is time which we won't have - this would just leave three games at 2 hours each. We can't have (effectively) a 2000 pt game in an hour and a half. However if we can extend the time to even later in the evening then fair enough. The idea with this is to keep it concurrent with the GW doubles for people to play test their armies for the GW grand tournament.
On another note if you wish to take over the SFS trophy etc please be my guest. However what I proposed if I was getting all the army lists was to right mine first and pass it on to either Stephen or someone impartial first, then ask for people's next. This would be fair an square and no one can waggle fingers - which ultimately forced my hand to pull out last year. Hopefully you will follow this - but to be honest I really don't care either way as I trust you - unlike certain people last year who were unsure of my fairness credentials. Oh and there is no need to chip in here with it wasn't me and who do you mean? Its past history let's move on. Post should be made for SFS over at the Fantasy forum.
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Sept 14, 2009 21:06:55 GMT
all very vallid points and good proposals as you have such a lot planned with events so i will gladly take the SFS off your hands all i need is a time frame where i can fit it in i would like to do it begining some time around december just before xmas if possible
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