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Post by wstevens on Dec 9, 2008 22:31:20 GMT
I will be taking the current weakest army in WH to compensate for partnering Daemons - Namely Beasts of Chaos. You jest - surely tomb kings are by a mile! So in the interest of fairness I will partner Julie with THE weakest side - naturally TK and pair up with VC. Now that should be fun as both are undead TK could benefit from some quite nice spells from VC and vice versa! Battle brothers these are not!
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Post by Stephen Mawson on Dec 9, 2008 23:23:40 GMT
I'm quite happy to team up with you Andy.
If you're down next week we can work out what a good combination would be.
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Post by mike on Dec 10, 2008 13:16:43 GMT
OK people - who's teaming up with who
I don't have a partner yet, so who fancies an alliance with the other bunch of pointy-eyed spell-weavers?
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Post by paulr on Dec 10, 2008 14:10:07 GMT
Tomb Kings are hardly the weakest, at the club this year I played Tomb Kings and beat the following armies: - Brettonians
- Hordes of Chaos
- Dark Elves
- Dwarves
- Empire (played by a Mr W.Stevens)
In fact I have a 100% record with them and that is with a limited selection of models. Although at 750pts I would agree with you, they are the weakest army by far. Special rule for Tomb Kings: only one character is mandatory in the army selection, either prince or Priest, but if two characters are taken then they have to be one of each.
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Post by wstevens on Dec 10, 2008 15:07:43 GMT
Well I did mean at 750pts. Naturally by the book's own admission you do need both. This may be what we will take.
Do any of the other teams have sudden restrictions or is there another set of rules? For example a Bret BSB needed which DOES take up a hero choice.
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Post by Stephen Mawson on Dec 10, 2008 15:22:44 GMT
If we are playing by the GW Doubles rules, then any army specific unit selections must be adhered too. Any army specific variation in the army construction choices that are available (Brettonian's allowed an extra hero slot to take the BSB, High Elves different no of Specials & Rares, etc) only apply if playing battle brothers.
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Post by mike on Dec 10, 2008 15:38:02 GMT
Hi all Just been scaning through this thread and, unless I've got it really wrong the line up looks something like this: Players- Paul
- Darrell
- Mike
- Steve
- David
- Warren
- Andy
- Julie
Teams- Paul & Darrell
- Steve & Andy
- Warren & Julie
Guess that leave you and me David If you're around next week, we can have chat about army lists, tactics and the like After my elves have given Carls' Bretts a good kicking of course ;D ;D
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Post by Andy"windy"Miller on Dec 10, 2008 17:08:42 GMT
Skaven and High elves it is Stephen An interesting pairing, I'll see you next week to talk tactics.
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Post by wstevens on Dec 10, 2008 19:44:14 GMT
(Brettonian's allowed an extra hero slot to take the BSB, High Elves different no of Specials & Rares, etc) only apply if playing battle brothers. Too true -the Faq states that the BSB must be count as a hero choice if different armies are chosen but they would have 4 choices of heroes for Battle brothers which is irrelevant in this Doubles tournament. I quote: "Q. If an army contains mixed elements of Bretonnians and Empire, do the Bretonnians get the benefit of the extra character special rule? A. No. The combined 1500pt army is entitled to 3 heroes, 2 of which must go to the Bretonnians in order to fulfil their special rule for the army standard bearer. However, if both forces are composed of Bretonnians, then we will allow a fourth hero, as per the Bretonnian special rules. Q. Can a non-Bretonnian army gain any benefit from the Bretonnian Battle Standard bearer in their army? A. Yes. Treat the Battle Standard Bearer as per the rules in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle Rule book. "
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Post by wstevens on Dec 10, 2008 19:49:26 GMT
Tomb Kings are hardly the weakest, at the club this year I played Tomb Kings and beat the following armies: - Brettonians
- Hordes of Chaos
- Dark Elves
- Dwarves
- Empire (played by a Mr W.Stevens)
quote] Didn't you also thrash me with beasts of Chaos on a number of occasions - against my VC and Empire if I recall? Beasts are far from being the weakest to roll over what I would have considered to be strong but balanced armies from me.
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Post by wstevens on Dec 15, 2008 23:11:58 GMT
Are there any specific rules pertaining the use of magic on either side - in other words can spells be used on either freindly army. I only ask as there are some really insane and tremendously unbalanced options. Here are a few noted by someone I know...
TK's Incantation of summoning on a unit of Blood Knights or Black Knights allowing you to regen D3 instead of the normal 1
Skitterleap on a Vampire, daemon, herald, high elf hero
Deathfrenzy on Blood Knights or Black Knights
The Hidden Path from the Wood Elves
Twilights host making multiple units in undead armies cause terror
Call of the Hunt / the wolf hunts on daemon units
Righteous smiting on the banshee
Succour of chaos on a beastman unit
Delicious excruciation on daemon unit making them unbreakable and replacing instability testing.
Unseen lurker on any daemon unit
Shades of death or walking death on daemon units making them all terror causing.
Steed of shadows on a herald or daemon hero.
Bear's anger on a daemon character
vanhels on TK chariots
the list of permutations can go on and on
So how are you playing this Paul?
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Post by paulr on Dec 16, 2008 8:50:42 GMT
Are there any specific rules pertaining the use of magic on either side - in other words can spells be used on either freindly army. I only ask as there are some really insane and tremendously unbalanced options. Here are a few noted by someone I know... TK's Incantation of summoning on a unit of Blood Knights or Black Knights allowing you to regen D3 instead of the normal 1 GW get around the above tricky situation by not allowing TK & VC to ally. If the target of a spell is a legal target then the spell is allowed. In the above example the spells text states "your own undead unit" which VC are the only army it would also work on, so it's allowed. As to the other examples they are all viable, so long as they conform to the rules, e.g. steed of shadows only on a herald if he isn't mounted.
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Post by wstevens on Dec 16, 2008 9:13:00 GMT
Nice one Paul - there are going to be some very seriously overbalanced partnerships there, but its all for fun, can't wait!
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