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Post by Liam Thompson on Apr 22, 2009 20:21:17 GMT
As stated in the second post in this thread, there are still 1-2 places left. Rick is more than welcome to join in at this point if he desires; I've added him to the players list, albeit unconfirmed at this point right now (and will remain so until I get word from him directly).
Considering it's been over a month since this thread was last posted in (excluding your post, Carl) I'm going to be closing entries at midnight next Monday, the 27th of April. That'll give the teams involved just under a fortnight to sort armies out. I'm going to try and get each team a private forum so that they, and only they, can discuss army lists and potential tactics ahead of time.
I'll also need people to tell me which armies they will use by Tuesday the 28th of April so I can sort out teams. Likewise, I'll need Stephen to let me know whether he'll be playing or refereeing by then.
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Post by carl on Apr 22, 2009 20:56:05 GMT
he may be out of the country (not sure) but i was conversing via text and he asked me to put him in if there was room so think he is a definate.
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Post by Liam Thompson on Apr 22, 2009 21:02:07 GMT
Okay, not a problem. Did he say which army he was going to use?
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Post by carl on Apr 22, 2009 22:32:02 GMT
no, but i would think probably dark elves at a guess
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Post by Liam Thompson on Apr 22, 2009 23:35:51 GMT
Yeah, that's what I figured but I didn't want to put that down without confirming it. For all I know he's got a 10,000 point Chaos Dwarf army he's been dying to use for ages...
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Post by wstevens on Apr 22, 2009 23:55:19 GMT
So what will happen if its just two on one side would we share the points here at 5000 pts each or could one other team member bring something different say 3000pts of one army and 2000pts of another?
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Post by Liam Thompson on Apr 23, 2009 17:14:05 GMT
Okay, I now have 6 players. These are: - Mike (High Elves)
- Andy (High Elves)
- Julie (Dwarfs)
making up the side of the Forces of Order and - Warren (Vampire Counts)
- Rick (Dark Elves?)
- Stephen (Warriors of Chaos)
making up the side of the Forces of Disorder. Whilst I have filled all of the player positions, the position of Assistant Referee is still open; should anyone wish to help out in an official capacity to help me let the game run quicker then please contact me ASAP about it. With regards to lending models out to people, I'm going to have to cancel that offer; due to the damage done to the shed where I store my miniatures, I don't have access to the majority of my collection. All of the players involved have been contacted via PM regarding this and now have access to their relative forum. Hopefully we'll see some sneaky planning on those private boards Warren: Since you now have three players, the point is moot. However, if necessary, I'd have allowed it under the alliance rules given in the Legendary Battles rules.
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Post by Stephen Mawson on Apr 23, 2009 18:01:50 GMT
Having had a look through the WoC book I can do easily 3,000 just of that actually, there is some stuff I'd forgotten was now in the list.
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Post by wstevens on Apr 23, 2009 18:43:21 GMT
I looked at the monstrous hordes ruling and saw that this could be open to alot of overpowered units taking slots for free. The example given with 4 dragon mages taking just two hero slots sounds a bit much. They are then allowed to go there seperate ways as individual units sounds like 8 hero choices for the price of two. Therefore this gains 6 "free" hero slots. How does this actually work as if I play 4000pts I would be allowed 3 lord choices. If I put them all in one monstrous horde all on dragons then I would only pay for 2 hero choice slots? This doesn't sound right. Please explain in plain Russian please.
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Post by Liam Thompson on Apr 23, 2009 19:36:50 GMT
You've got it correct. A group of identical (in name at least) units, either monsters or war machines, may be taken for a single slot that they'd normally take up. In the case of monsters ridden by a Hero, they take up a single Hero slot (for the rider) and whatever slot the monster would take up (if any). Note that it does not allow for Lord-level characters and their mounts to be included under this, only Hero-ridden Monsters, and those found in the Core, Special and/or Rare sections of the army.
There are two limitations on MB/MHs; the first is that you are only allowed a limited amount on each side. As the game is 10,000 points apiece, you are limited to only TWO Massed Batteries or Monstrous Hordes. That's two MB/MHs per side, not per player. As it states, this means that the teams will need to discuss in advance which players will get the opportunity to use those two slots.
The second limitation is on the models themselves; there will be no proxies allowed. If you wish to field a MB/MH you will need to have access to the models required.
Something else to bear in mind is that both sides will have access to MB/MHs and thus will hopefully each field something of equivalent deadliness.
I'm honestly hoping that these two limitations, the additional note, the sensibility of the players involved, and the fact that I'm going to be keeping track of things in advance (on the two private forums) will prevent anyone from doing anything silly. But this is a test; if things get too out of hand then I suppose I'll just have to ban MB/MH out of hand for the next game.
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Post by wstevens on Apr 23, 2009 20:00:37 GMT
As only lords are allowed to ride monsters such as dragons this puts VC at a disadvantage here. I can't see you allowing 5 mannfred the acolyte on five abyssal terrors. Apart from that VC heroes are either on foot or on a nightmare. The hellsteed is an option but I only have one of these that I could use. So no monstrous hordes allowed for VC (vargulfs are not monsters) and they have no firing so no batteries either so over to the other guys in my team.
As high elf heroes can swan around on dragons (total cheese) this limits our army a bit. Dark elf heroes can ride manticores at most but I doubt Rick has two or more of these. Stephen may have an option though.
My point is that the high elf army will seriously outnumber us on hero choices and will out magic us if this rule is upheld. Four mage dragons gives them a lot of accessibilty to the magic phase and this would be slightly unfair. Anyway I suppose they still would have to fork out the points for them - and I like a challenge however unfair it may be.
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Post by Liam Thompson on Apr 23, 2009 20:16:01 GMT
To be fair, most armies only allow Lords to ride monsters so VCs aren't really missing out that much. Vargulfs ARE Monsters (according to page 58 of the Rulebook), as are Winged Nightmares as you pointed out but you are right in saying that the rules don't seem to be on the side of the VCs.
Considering the armies you have, you have the option of (Heroes on) Winged Nightmares, Vargulfs, (Heroes on) Manticores, Hydras, Repeater Bolt Throwers, Chaos Spawn, Giants, Hellcannons, and Dragon Ogre Shaggoths (assuming I haven't missed any). That's a quite a selection. Remember that you can contribute models from your collection to other people, so if you wanted to let Stephen use your Giants in his army then that could be quite devastating.
Opposing you, I can see you potentially facing (Dragon Mages riding) Dragons, Repeater Bolt Throwers, Giant Eagles, Dwarf Bolt Throwers, Cannons, Stone Throwers, Gyrocopters, Organ Guns, and Flame Cannons (assuming I haven't missed anything out myself).
Is all of this fair? Who knows. I certainly don't, but that's why I'm running this game; to see if things are fair for future games.
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Post by wstevens on Apr 23, 2009 20:51:27 GMT
Remember that you can contribute models from your collection to other people, so if you wanted to let Stephen use your Giants in his army then that could be quite devastating. Ah now he won't be able to because they are not proxy either. These are normal giants and not chaos giants. Remember? Dragon / undead dragon?
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Post by Andy"windy"Miller on Apr 23, 2009 20:54:15 GMT
Who cares if it's fair as long as there's a bloodbath ;D
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Post by wstevens on Apr 23, 2009 20:56:39 GMT
Excellent Andy! That's fighting talk! Just ensure you high elves iron your dresses before you come out to magic us to death.
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