darkangel1(Darrell)
Gates of Antares
Master of the Ravenwing
The Dark Angels the First Legion the true Angels of Death
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Aug 5, 2008 15:10:53 GMT
david there is a mortal chaos list you can download that is new frow WD
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Post by David B on Aug 5, 2008 17:48:44 GMT
I do have the White Dwarf with the Warriors of Chaos, however this is not an Army book, and also I do not have the units to create 3 core choices on this list.
The Choices I have are Hordes of Chaos Army book, or Drop out of the league
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darkangel1(Darrell)
Gates of Antares
Master of the Ravenwing
The Dark Angels the First Legion the true Angels of Death
Posts: 1,060
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Aug 5, 2008 19:21:09 GMT
ok mate i havent seen either lists
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Post by wstevens on Aug 5, 2008 21:07:52 GMT
I do have the White Dwarf with the Warriors of Chaos, however this is not an Army book, and also I do not have the units to create 3 core choices on this list. The Choices I have are Hordes of Chaos Army book, or Drop out of the league David, you haven't got any 2000pt armies? I thought you had a daemon army, a dwarf one and an orc and goblin army? I'm not in it so you can borrow one of mine if you haven't. I have Empire, VC and orc and Goblins - just choose one of these + write up a list and I don't mind bringing it down for you. If its painting you are worried about then the models don't have to be painted - just stick a few warriors together etc and spray them black. You do have until end of September so this should give you ample time which either way you choose.
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Post by Stephen Mawson on Aug 5, 2008 22:14:00 GMT
He had a Dwarf army, some of that is now mine, I believe one or two other club members might have bought bits of it as well.
As far as I'm aware the Goblin army isn't 2,000 points.
He easily has 2,000 points of Mortal Chaos. The problem is that the new Chaos Warrior list has shifted around what is and is not a core choice, so David doesn't have enough Chaos Warriors to field a legal 2,000 point army. Where as with the Hordes of Chaos book he has no trouble as his Chaos Knights and Chariots are core.
Frankly the Warriors of Chaos pdf list is rubbish if your Chaos army was a mixed list, or was cavalry heavy. Using that list I'd struggle to field a legal 2,000 point army either, and I have lots of Chaos stuff. Although in my case it's more to do with the fact that suddenly a lot of my models like my Furies, Horrors, Dragon Ogres, Keeper of Secrets etc aren't even part of the army, which sucks in a major way.
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Post by David B on Aug 6, 2008 12:27:58 GMT
Warren, I do have dwarf army with 2000+ points, but I do not get on well with, and probably have 2000 pts of Gobbos, but this is a fun army not a tournament army. I do not have Daemons yet(These will be fantasy and 40k when I get round to it) My secret Army I have several thousand points already but they are still on sprues, and will not be unleashed until I have a game sized force assembled painted and based. Should be by Christmas, but am finishing the Gamesday Armies at the moment.
Steve has got it quite right(I discussed it in the car with him) I only have a few warriors, no where near enough to field the 3+ Core choices needed. My Chaos were primarily Knights, and am already borrowing models from Steve for this force to make it more suitable for my style of play. The "get by" list in WD/Download in my opinion is a bit constrictive in what you have to take(Warriors are too slow and useless in this sized game, and an expensive chunk that you have to take)
Although I did not get to play against Simon, I considered him a friend, as we all did. For this first memorial tournament, I would like to play with an army that I am familiar with, so that all can have fun to do his memory proud.
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Post by wstevens on Aug 6, 2008 16:20:43 GMT
With the utmost respect Dave, I can't keep moving goal posts and have offered some good alternatives. The way I see it is that daemon and BoC players may see this as being unfair if you play the hordes list as they have no access to mortal men. However, as this is a democracy and I cannot speak for everyone per se I will put this to a poll vote with your permission on the issue. Is that fair and reasonable?
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Post by David B on Aug 6, 2008 17:20:02 GMT
I understand that you cannot keep changing the rules, and agree that it should be put to the vote. I apperciate the offer of use of your armies, however I am already borrowing from Steve for use in the Bedford League, and would feel awkward borrowing more. The armies I have are a bit hot podged, as I have not played Warhammer all that much in larger games and have so far not found an army that suits my tastes.
I leave the decision to the club to decide, and will abide by the descision. I have added a poll to the site already.
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Post by wstevens on Aug 19, 2008 12:46:30 GMT
Gamesday is on the 14th of September so I may have miscalculated the dates and may give us an extra week for the memorial trophy if we have all lists in by the 17th of September rather than the 24th. This would give people an extra week of playing and would be advantageous to people that D&D or do other things in the interim. So could I have lists in on that date instead please.
As for the Chaos lists I have thought about this for a long time and have come to the conclusion that Daemons should only be played as Daemon units in the new book. So as a consequence I don't think it would be right to field daemons from the hordes of chaos book. However, as the get by list PDF is a bit poor and limited for core choices - I decree (that's a word you don't hear everyday) that hordes of chaos lists can be used but with no daemon units - for making Chaos mortal lists. This would ease core choice limitations.
Flame away!!!
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Post by mike on Aug 19, 2008 14:31:24 GMT
So - 2K lists in by 17 then?
Yep - can do that.
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Post by carl on Aug 19, 2008 16:18:48 GMT
i think using the HoC book without demons in the army is a fair compromise. the army restrictions on core units etc David can get ok and just having mortals in it will make it simpler for everyone else as the demon book and the old demon stuff in the HoC book are different and would get confusing.
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Post by David B on Aug 19, 2008 18:29:48 GMT
II will start looking into HoC No Daemons Shortly, Should not be a problem
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Post by Liam Thompson on Aug 21, 2008 6:02:39 GMT
However, as the get by list PDF is a bit poor and limited for core choices - I decree (that's a word you don't hear everyday) that hordes of chaos lists can be used but with no daemon units - for making Chaos mortal lists. This would ease core choice limitations. So, a Mortal Chaos army will not use any Special choices, only Core and Rare, then? Seeing as the Beasts of Chaos FAQ disallows Mortal or Daemon choices from Hordes of Chaos as Special choices in its own list, surely the converse must be applied to the Mortal list, and thus no Special choices could be taken in any Mortal Chaos army as all Mortal choices are Core in an army led by a Mortal.
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Post by Stephen Mawson on Aug 21, 2008 10:14:21 GMT
I hadn't thought of that, I'd forgotten that all the special choices in the Hordes book effectively come from either the Daemons or Beasts lists.
Personally I blame GW for this one.
If they have decided to seporate out the Mortal, Beasts and Daemonic chaos armies from each other, they should have released all three army books at the same flipping time.
If David's happy to play Mortals only using the Hordes of Chaos list that's fair enough, he's playing the army after all, but this whole what can or can't you use in a particular chaos army is now a complete mess.
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Post by wstevens on Aug 21, 2008 12:09:19 GMT
Yes I noticed that - still that's the way it has to be guys. Which is a lot better than the PDF get by lists.
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