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Post by carl on Jul 21, 2010 21:34:54 GMT
Daiv; i didn't accuse you of theft, so please, dont post stupid comments like that.
if i remember correctly, and if you remember, you were treasurer and bought the stuff (i.e. the house) from Perrys with club funds (as it was for Darrell's ACW table at kelmarsh last year) so them telling you to keep it was actually them telling the 'club' to keep it, as it wasn't a personal purchase.
if that is not the case and it was a personal purchase, then i apologise.
however, if it was a club purchase who did you ok it with to give it away? Darrell didn't know about it as far as i know as i asked him if he had it as Gavin wanted it for this years table (Darrell said he didn't know where it was), and as Darrell was chairman he should have been asked about giving it away.
also, will you be putting a proposal together for another 'from the ashes' style event, because as you mentioned it, it gives you first refusal on volunteering to do it?
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Post by carl on Jul 21, 2010 21:38:42 GMT
Steve; i merely put up the options that i and others came up with on the night, which is all i can do.
if you remember at the meeting it was decided that we go away, have a think about it, then vote.
if the majority is yes then we simply ask everyone at the club and otherwise which prefered method they want to go with.
likewise, if the vote is no, thats it, no other discussion or voting required.
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Post by David B on Jul 21, 2010 21:54:20 GMT
Carl, I purchased these with my money and was reimbursed by the club, so technically I was told that I could have them. As the order was initiated by the club I thought it only right I check with another member of the committee, who said it wasnt needed. And yes acusing me of taking this from the club and giving it away is an accusation of theft, if it was mine in the first polace then no its not theft.
Also not all propositions were put forward on the poll, I had a valid point but this wasnt on the poll, I am not going to say it again just check my other post.
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Post by carl on Jul 22, 2010 16:13:37 GMT
Daiv;
if you were reimbursed by the club then i'm afraid you have it wrong and these were club property as you were buying it and then claiming monies back the same as steve does now and i did when i was treasurer.
the perrys probably thought you were buying them yourself as you paid with your own card? as the club does not have a card to buy stuff with. if you had not been reimbursed then i would agree that they were yours to do with as you saw fit, but as the club gave you back the monies in full then ALL the items including the free stuff became club property by default.
i spoke to darrell about this and he said if this is what happened then he agrees with the fact that they should have NOT been given to another club, and certainly not without speaking to him as chairman.
which committee member did you speak to (i have asked darrell and steve and neither recall you asking them) as if you spoke to only one, it should have been a majority of the comittee agreeing to this and not just you and one other.
i did not and have not accused you of stealing, so please stop saying this or we will be having words the next time we meet as i will ask darrell to sort out a meeting of the three of us.
all i said was you should not have given it away when it was not yours to do so and i stand by that remark as you have already said in front of club people that you did this and have now said the club gave you back all monies associated with the purchase, ergo, it was the clubs to get rid of or use, not any one (or two) individual(s).
however, this is getting away from the point of this thread which is a vote on the project and do we support it or not.
if you put forward another suggestion last week, i did not hear it so can only apologise for missing it, however if this is the individual thing then this is covered by them signing up themselves as i posted earlier. the poll is simply as a club thing, not individuals or a collection of just a few of us.
the link is there for anyone wanting to sign up individually as in my earlier post.
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Jul 22, 2010 17:11:35 GMT
OK enough We will have a FULL meeting on the 10th August where all the various options of we have of contributing IF we decide to do so. What i want is a final decision that the majority of the membership is happy with. Whichever method is voted for the responsobility for keeping records of donations will be the club treasurer idealy we want it as simple as possible for the treasurers sake.
Finaly the issue of the ACW farmhouse will end NOW nobody can expect to remember things that happened over a year ago what has happened has happened i do not want to hear any more about it
Darrell
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Post by wstevens on Jul 22, 2010 18:09:52 GMT
Yep agree with Simon - you know what its like when builders are around the house. Its always costly to start with and all of a sudden there is a snag or problem that bumps up the price because it was difficult to do at that price. Also with inflation and rising costs what is £600 now could be a lot more in five years time. How much was a pint of beer five years ago? I certainly would prfer those prices. So are we talking £600 or this and the extra due to inflation? I really would prefer to have this cash in a seperate account and have it stored up for the course of the five years. If things run into a sticky patch - perhaps we may run into a massive problem with people leaving or popping their clogs, then we must consider withdrawing to subsidise the club after an evaluation. What's to say that the price will go up to silly money and unreasonable demands are made. It would be quite easy to hold the club's name to ransom like this. If you withdraw we will make it known that the Phoenix does not keep promises etc... some people may not see the underlying reasons why this may happen. So I think its best to wait to pay it all in five years with a pledge. I would be sorely miffed if we had paid four years worth and was told that the project could not be completed for one reason or another. What of the four years money paid in so far - "ah that's easy sir its been soaked up by administrative costs and other such shenanigans (such as lawyers)- so nothing back I'm afraid" so in view of that you really do want a rundown of where the costs are going to and we should have a representative at an AGM which they must do.
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Post by carl on Jul 22, 2010 18:22:28 GMT
quite valid mate. the cost cannot increase as it is set in stone , but it would be quite easy to put this into a separate account and pay at the end, thats what the vote is for after all.
if the vote is yes then we will simply reiterate to everyone what options we have and then we can decide from there.
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