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Post by carl on Dec 30, 2013 14:32:05 GMT
guys
as the title says would anyone be interested in attending a Phoenix run HC one day tournie similar to our others we hold if i were to make plans for one.
the armies would be taken from the HC army list book with points to be determined etc
let me know if interested and if anyone would be willing to help out with organisation etc
cheers
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Post by wstevens on Dec 30, 2013 16:41:42 GMT
I would like to get some good practice in first but count me in to help out sounds like a good idea.
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Post by Undave on Dec 30, 2013 16:59:02 GMT
I'd be interested to see what kind of framework you come up with and how well it works. The HC/P&S/BP trio weren't really designed with competitive play in mind although the introduction of points values did go some way to making it a possibility. Are you aiming at a particular period and what kind of win conditions were you thinking of introducing?
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Post by carl on Dec 30, 2013 17:02:57 GMT
the 'possible' period would be any armies in the first army list books that do not have powder weapon capabilities, as this gives a wide range of forces available but am open to suggestions.
as for win conditions i will think up a rulespack with scenarios etc if there is enough interest in the event.
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Post by wstevens on Dec 31, 2013 14:59:56 GMT
I would prefer a classical Ancients one as these are the only types of armies I don't have to worry about painting-wise. With the Club's Romans and Celts I'm sure there will be a taker for them if they don't have an army as yet - perhaps yourself?
Oh and to put to use that book I bought off you - this actually has points in it although I am looking to see what points could be played for a tournament as they go by units rather than individual models. I'm sure this would be a cue for Simon or Paul to jump in a do all the maths work by putting up an army that we would normally take in a WAB 2100pt tournament and then finding out how much this would cost in HC money.
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Post by carl on Dec 31, 2013 15:56:37 GMT
that is indeed the book i was refering to, and i am looking to get myself a carthage army in the not to distant future
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Post by Chilliman(Ryan) on Dec 31, 2013 17:07:10 GMT
If I could put a request in for the Romans to use. As they said what have they done for us? Apart from Roads, sanitation....
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Post by carl on Dec 31, 2013 17:39:03 GMT
and the wine Reg. plus the roads go without saying
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Post by tiger1 (Paul) on Dec 31, 2013 17:40:52 GMT
As I have just mentioned in a different post, before we leap into tournament play especially with a set of rules not designed for that style of play, I reckon we need to play the rules set more, Simon, I and James spent the 29th December playing four games getting to know and understand the rules. They are VERY different to Plack Powder and Pike and shot, people need to undersatnd the different perceptions and workings. All four games we indeed fun and gave different results albiet just simply Romand v Celts.
In addition there needs to be a basing convention that all agree to, agree table sizes, its really designed for multi player on large tables, it works great on 1:1 but again design and scale become critical if it is to work. The last game Simon and I Played all distances were reduced by a third, it worked well but we had to work ahard to remember the changes in distance, in addition there were a number of circumstances where we agreed flexible interpretations such as the distance used to turn around, being one turn but technically dependant on scale it could be more than one or etc etc. Other issues, army points, scoring in games, victory conditions, scenarios, all need careful consideration due to the nature of the system. IT IS NOT WAB so do not expect it to behave that way.
Having worked with Rick P on the army lists I am not convinced they work as straight lifts, cetain aspects need "careful thinking", the best way is for the event organiser to design specific lists that avoid some of the stickies, as such.
It is a great rules set if you understand it and can accept its difffernet behaviour, especially the way command works, some people try to change it as they struggle to come to terms with its different nature.
Before any Tournament is run I strongly recomend we get to understand the game otherwise, it could be a damp squid all too easily.
As also posted, any event is best run on a different basis, abit more like the Peterborough Clubs "Carve out a kingdom", careful planning and different ways to gain rewards, is a fun, less "competitive" forum.
But most of all we all have to understand just how to play the game as a club, then comes the copmplexity of understanding how other clubs play the game, do they have the same unit sizes, understand the mechanics the same, etc etc. Remember WAb has had a strong competition following internationally with decades of regular events and play and a well used forum. The HC forum is less well travelled.
I could see a HC event in the autumn of this year, but only after a lot of work and game time from those interested.
Finally Simon I James Warren and Julie, possibly others will be working to do a HC Roman Invasion of Britain weekend at Kelmarsh, before that I will be running a mini campaign of the Roman Invasion and wil ask for volunteer players to participate as and when required. For now the main players will be Simon James and myself, but room for a couple volunteers. Hopefully a great way for all to learn the rules in a consistent way.
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Post by carl on Dec 31, 2013 19:34:46 GMT
my idea is not limited to just a one v one tournament but could be a 1 or 2 day campaign style event, or just sell tickets and have a large bash of romans v celts, as with the club models and those owned by others we could easily do this or perhaps a large set of tables in each half of the room with romans v celts on one and another battle on the other set.
maybe HC on one set and P&S on the other as a twinned day...
all just ideas at the mo, but lets not be too quick to knock the possibilty as plenty of HC players out there who may want a tournie / event as dont know of many that have been run by independent clubs so far.
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Post by Simon Robinson on Dec 31, 2013 20:05:14 GMT
The idea of an HC event (or BP or P&S) is great and I think there will be a significant number of people keen for such events.
My reservations are to do with format. Because of the command rules I don't see them as being suitable for tournament play. But a different type of event could be a different matter altogether.
So HC event YES. Competition not so sure.
Happy to bounce a few ideas around with you based on the recent games. We can have a chat on the 7th to see if we can arrange a HC game early in the year.
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Post by carl on Dec 31, 2013 20:11:45 GMT
sounds good mate will chat whilst we play BA
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Post by Undave on Dec 31, 2013 20:40:18 GMT
Some kind of campaign day with roving umpires might be good. Events on one table could have consequences on nearby tables like the appearance of reinforcements or morale loss/boosts etc. You can have an overarching story for the day with semi-randomised planned events. The only thing is it requires a lot of organisation and dedicated umpires who can keep an eye on what's going on on multiple tables. Work intensive but masses of fun if you can pull it off.
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