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Post by carl on Nov 19, 2011 15:30:36 GMT
guys
we have been invited back to Kelmarsh next year and the dates are the 14th & 15th July.
so, what we need are ideas for games to run, and as always they must be public participation, and of a historical nature, so no fantasy or sci-fi.
most of the tables will be 6ft x 4ft with perhaps one large game but this will depend on what games we get put forward.
if you would like to put forward an idea, please feel free, but you will then need to organise it from start to finish and obviously run it over the weekend.
obviously there will be plenty of help at hand to run the games so you wont need to man it alone.
if you can only do one of the days, don't worry please put this in your proposal as if we get two or more ike that, they can be run on separate days.
either PM me via this forum or email me your idea, and it needs to include;
scenario name scenario outline period figures and scale what if any scenery (and if any needs to be acquired)
if you have any questions please let me have them asap, as i would like to gave all the games that will be run sorted by the end of January at the latest and start doing test-runs from the start of May.
you have until the end of December to put your proposal in
thanks
Carl
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Post by carl on Nov 24, 2011 20:16:09 GMT
some of the periods / systems i think would be good for 2012 are;
Napoleonics
Flames of War
Ancients
Pike & Shot
come on guys, lets see those creative juices flow and the ideas start to fly in as next year will be upon us before you can say................?
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Post by wstevens on Nov 24, 2011 21:19:39 GMT
See now you got me spoilt for choice
For Napoleonics - well I have way too many to paint for then - but could join someone else for an 1815 battle if they have models. I would only have a select few (French or Prussians)
For Ancients Dark Ages - Battle of Hastings (no brainer) there are two or three of us with Norman troops and there must be the same number with saxons or proxies.
For Ancients Classical - The Battle of Marathon Greeks vs Persians Just a few Persians to do to ensure massive outnumbering of troops. However looking at the battle it seems too similar to Thermopylae in some cases. However as we have the Olympics in this country near then - might as well show what running a Marathon is all about (ok no snickers jokes please!)
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Post by Simon Robinson on Nov 25, 2011 16:05:10 GMT
not sure about Hastings - it's basically Saxon's sitting on top of a hill in a shieldwall.
you woul need to look carefully at the scenario and the rules you'll be using to make sure the battle is workable for kelmarsh audience
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Post by james on Nov 25, 2011 16:50:13 GMT
Dark ages sounds good to me....
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Post by wstevens on Nov 25, 2011 18:48:28 GMT
If you check your history of the battle they didn't exactly stay on the hill! Droves of saxons on the right of the shieldwall pursued the Bretons and got completely cut to pieces at the bottom of the hill when the Normans surrounded them and the Bretons turned. Same happened on the left flank enabling the Norman knights to flank and go around the back.
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Post by james on Nov 25, 2011 22:57:31 GMT
Plus some bloke got shot in the eye and hacked to bits - Harolds Huscarls last stand might be a quick fun game! Although A hail caesar hastings appeals - the normans were essentially in three divisions after all.
I also have a good essential histories book about the whole campaign if you want to look for a lesser battle.
The best account of the battle though still has to be the BBC battlefields britain documentary that I watch every year with year 7.
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Post by carl on Nov 26, 2011 8:38:56 GMT
would you like to put a scenario together James?
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Post by james on Nov 26, 2011 16:08:24 GMT
I would but will need some help as I dont have enough models and usually can only do one day of the vent due to family commitments...
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Post by carl on Nov 26, 2011 16:30:04 GMT
plenty of dark age stuff between us all
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Post by tiger1 (Paul) on Nov 27, 2011 11:52:24 GMT
I have normans saxons etc and now vikings which could easily be generic dark age
I might be interested in doing a 28mm black powder ECW scenario, or might do other ECW rule set. The black powder idea is a link to the new proposed Black Powder renaissance set, including 30 YW.
Bu would need support.
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Post by carl on Nov 27, 2011 12:00:59 GMT
plus i am writing a pike and shot ruleset we could try out at some stage
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Post by james on Nov 27, 2011 20:46:31 GMT
Well I would happily follow the ECW route as have my NMA models in good order and would be a spur to finish the last units.
I also wondered if Warlord might like some of us to play with their lovely Rourke's Drift model on the day...
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Post by wstevens on Nov 27, 2011 20:51:38 GMT
As I've said before I'm not sure how comfortable they would be not seeing their Zulu models on the table as the ones we have are Wargames Factory and BTD - unless they have their own ones for use on the day. To be honest painting thousands of them again is not what I had in mind considering the accumulating pile of painting I have still to do.
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Post by Simon Robinson on Nov 27, 2011 21:03:40 GMT
Warren: Since Hastings is one of the battles I looked at when I did the "Art of War on land" course last year I am well aware of how it unfolded. The flow of the battle is why I pointed out that the rule set / scenario rules will need to be chosen carefully.
The plan was to stay on top of the hill / crest line in shieldwall and let the Normans wear themselves out attacking up hill in futile charges. The fact that some of the Fryd got over excited and came down off the hill to pursue the fleeing Normans, got caught by other units and destroyed is where it started to go wrong.
Anybody who knows the battle (and at Kelmarsh there might be one or two who do ;D ) or who has an ounce of tactical sense know that they will sit on the top in shieldwall and wait for victory, unless the rules prevent this. Remember that Harold has more troops arriving as the Fryds from other areas arrive, William has no reinforcements.
HC allows the victor to pursue if they wish - there is no assumption that they will unless they're drilled or they make a Ld test like WAB has. However HC plays very cleanly in participation games.
WAB on the other hand has the rules needed to prevent the Saxons just sitting there, but is much more complicated and quite fiddly when you have to remove individual figures.
Not sure about Clash of Empires in terms of getting the Saxons off the hill, but it suffers from the complexity problems of WAB and the need to remove individual figures.
The other problem is balancing the forces. Assuming that you want a game winnable by the Saxons about 50% of the time rather than a guaranteed Norman victory then you need the get the point balance right too many Normans then even if the Saxons sit on top in shieldwall all day the Normans always win, too few and the Saxons always win. You'll need to balance the advantage of holding a hill in shieldwall, the probability of the Saxons breaking ranks etc - tricky at best.
All of which is why I said "you would need to look carefully at the scenario and the rules you'll be using to make sure the battle is workable for kelmarsh audience".
If you want to bounce ideas around for this happy to chip in, I also know re-enactors who were at a Hastings event - so we can get input on the terrain, deployment etc
Cheers
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