james
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Post by james on Jul 20, 2011 19:32:16 GMT
I agree with the point about too many games, outside games and proxies just because they are cofusing but am happy with the feel of the rest - afterall the point is too have some fun and I rather like the idea of a list tweak myself.
Given the problems getting the SFS done this year (myself being one of the problems) perhaps we should have set dates and any games not done in that time are forfeit to stop things dragging on.
Also if I wish to run a operation squad campaign do I have to run that past you as well? I did not realise we were so bureaucratic - feels too much like school!
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Post by james on Jul 20, 2011 19:34:46 GMT
Has enyone asked Darren or Jon about this as I feel both would be interested.
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Post by darkangel1(Darrell) on Jul 20, 2011 20:05:13 GMT
I agree with your post earlier Warren but as a draft set it aint bad i like the special character/ 3 troop choice rule and all games must be played at the club
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Post by carl on Jul 20, 2011 20:11:09 GMT
Warren; i did read the post, but at the committee meeting it was suggested to ask Davinder if he would be interested and perhaps that would have been better done via a PM rather than on the open forum, also it only mentions prodding one or two, that may not read to all as asking for volunteers.
also as there are potential 40k players still in both the SFS and ECW campaign i would like to ask that this is not started until both of those are done and dusted
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Post by Ben 'Panzer' Harris on Jul 20, 2011 22:42:03 GMT
OK, second draft is attached bearing in mind the feedback received on this thread. It looks like everyone's OK with me acting as TO, and it's something I'd like to do. Once we get started I'll provide everyone with contact details so they can get hold of me. I've put in the pack that once the league starts, all games must be played within 21 weeks. As each player will have 7 games to play, that means they have to play once every 3 weeks on average to finish which I think is plenty of time. Given that all games must be played on club nights I've cut it down to playing each other once, and removed the section regarding changes to army lists. I wanted to keep in an option to change, but I don't see any fair way of doing it so I've reluctantly dropped the idea. Any feedback on draft 2? Don't worry, I'm a big man and I can take it! Attachments:
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Post by wstevens on Jul 20, 2011 23:21:14 GMT
@ Carl - yeah probably worded incorrectly but sentiment was there. As Ben has put himself forward and has been pro-active in this case, it doesn't really matter now. However I do concur with the fact that this tournament should not go ahead until all other intra-club competitions have concluded.
@ Ben - much better from a non-40K point of view. However, if you win the tournament then you win it! No buts or downplaying here, however if you wish to relinquish this then there is no point in playing. To win you have to be the best and beat the best - end of! Also on rare occasions we do play on other nights and Saturdays when they are properly organised (all dayers), so just Tuesdays seems a little rigid. Apart from that I'm ok with it - you just need more input as just my voice alone cannot be taken as red and a go head unless you have had feedback from others who are actually playing. Until then keep this on ice - good stuff nonetheless.
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Post by Ben 'Panzer' Harris on Jul 20, 2011 23:42:25 GMT
@ Warren, no that's cool. I can tweak to include other club nights, that's not a problem. I just wanted to get your sign-off on the admin side of things so us 40K players can start arguing over special characters etc.
It was my intention to avoid any accusations of bias - I've always hated TOs that win their own tournaments! If everyone's happy for me to be in the running then no problem, but I tend to take strong lists and I'm a pretty handy player. You've been warned!
@ Carl, point taken on waiting until the other campaigns are done. At least we know roughly what the plan is so that playtesting can commence...
Everyone else, what do you think? Are the special character restrictions OK? Are the time limits reasonable? Anything else?
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Post by wstevens on Jul 21, 2011 19:09:43 GMT
I'm ok with it - its a shame I don't know enough about the game itself to participate oh and the fact that I really don't have the models anymore.
@ James - just caught your post above - its a case of 'fraid so, and as you are so well schooled it shouldn't be a problem. I'm only ensuring that I do the job I do here and that it works. Otherwise everybody will be throwing things in and it is a question of timing with other events/ tournaments/ competitions etc - hence the "title" events - co-ordinator.
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james
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Post by james on Jul 21, 2011 19:21:28 GMT
OK Warren - my intention was to run a drop in drop out league sometime after the summer but not until the ECW and SFS is done. See my post about it in another thread...
Carl - ECW has gone dead which is a shame, perhaps we should have some kind of play off or big black powder game one night to see it finished?
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Post by theluckyone on Jul 24, 2011 7:32:39 GMT
I'm interested only if the rules about un painted miniatures are changed. I personal think that it looks so much better if all the miniatures have at least been base coated (this doesn't mean undercut) and based reasonable.
r. Darren
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Post by carl on Jul 24, 2011 18:12:01 GMT
re ECW, we could have a big game but really need Steve to play a couple more games and see how things pan out after that re challenges.
i dont want to play any more games until some others have played one or two more times.
can't really do a big black powder game to end this as it's warhammer rules but we could do one using those rules.
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Post by Ben 'Panzer' Harris on Jul 24, 2011 20:45:33 GMT
I'm interested only if the rules about un painted miniatures are changed. I personal think that it looks so much better if all the miniatures have at least been base coated (this doesn't mean undercut) and based reasonable. r. Darren Fully painted looks good but given we're trying to get people involved, I don't think it's practical here. Many of our potential players probably don't have a fully painted army and some (myself included) may want to try something new. I'm happy to look at something like the requirements at GW stores, whereby armies have to show progress between games. But I don't want to go as far as requiring fully painted armies because I worry it will alienate people. Do we have any other impressions or ideas from what's up here? What does everyone else think on the painting issue? Another one - what are thoughts on increasing the size to 1750 points from 1500? Gets a few extra toys in, and that's why most tournaments have adopted that as the points value they use.
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Post by wstevens on Jul 24, 2011 22:37:52 GMT
I am against unpainted models unless they were bought the day before and you were desperately wanting to play them. However if this was the case the list that was given in well before the league's first game started should not have included the carnifex that I was going to buy the day before my first game. Unpainted models on the table do not give the club a good impressions and for the other reasons pmed to you. Most people at the Phoenix paint all their models - all the above entering all have painted 40K armies so I can't see who would be alienated here?
I would keep to the original plan - as before you know it there will be all sorts of add ons and extra points, and believe me I am the master of randomness - just ask Stephen!!! Keep it simple and you won't go wrong.
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james
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Post by james on Jul 25, 2011 6:21:24 GMT
My army is 90% painted - a few models are still just undercoated and a lot need basing where I rebased them for this edition. A painted reqiurement means I might actually finish them off. I think a rule that models are in 2/3 base colours with painted bases would be fine as that is as far as my ECW army has got and no one minds playing that 'unfinished' although a totally unpainted regiment of horse did get booed off the table at one point!
On the points value front how about an escalation league where the points build over the tournament?
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Post by Stephen Mawson on Jul 25, 2011 11:51:01 GMT
I'd personally suggest not going over 1,500, purely as that level of points is sensibly completable in a club evening. Going to much over that might make it hard to get games finished.
A league where the points increase is an interesting idea. However there are some armies which work much better at smaller or larger points, and therefore they would get an advantage or disadvantage depending on when you played them. Probably better to stick to a single pre-submitted list.
I might be interested in playing. But only if it starts after the SFS has finished. Purely as I'm not really going to have time for two leagues at once, unless I'm only gong to play one game a month in each.
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